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In this episode of the Psychedelic Medicine Podcast, Star Rose Bond, LCSW joins to discuss the topic of using psychedelic-assisted therapy to address intergenerational trauma. As seen in Huffpost, Vice and Psychology Today, Star Rose is a Renegade Psychotherapist, Social Activist, Clinical Supervisor for PEARL Institute and Co-Founder of Life Camp. With a Bachelor’s degree from NYU and a master’s from Columbia, Star brings 15 years of clinical trauma therapeutic services and experience serving marginalized, under-resourced and at risk populations specializing in harm reduction and PTSD recovery.

In this conversation, Star introduces the topic of intergenerational trauma and explores how psychedelic experiences may be leveraged to address this pernicious condition. She begins by explaining what intergenerational trauma means, how it gets passed down, and how it manifests. Star talks about the importance of psychedelic therapists and facilitators having awareness of trauma-informed modalities in order to better serve these populations. She also discusses the complexities of addressing generational trauma, and how it can often be difficult to process sensitive topics within the family unit. However, in conclusion, Star emphasizes that the capacity to heal is an intrinsic aspect of human existence, and that even in particularly dark moments, it is possible to get in touch with this possibility. 

In this episode you'll hear:

• How the conditions of Capitalism produce and exacerbate chronic stress

• The profound impact of neglect and abuse in early childhood 

• The unique experience of intergenerational trauma for BIPOC peoples and the recent rekindling of a spirit of connection in these communities due to psychedelic medicines 

• How processing intergenerational trauma can transform familial relationships

• Ethical and practical considerations for facilitators and therapists guiding clients through psychedelic experiences aimed at resolving deep-seated trauma

• What to look for in a psychedelic-assisted therapist or facilitator

Quotes:

“Just because you have several students or several clients who’ve experienced the same trauma, don’t make the assumption that they’re all experiencing it the same way. Or maybe you’ll meet a client who has had trauma similar to yours—don’t assume that they have undergone the same emotional impact or psychological impact as you. The truth of the matter is we are complex beings. We have so many different moving variables that go into our psychology and that essentially indicate or play a role in how we respond to things.” [8:43]

“We can’t always express or understand why things happen the way they do. But, we can start to make meaning through a spiritual understanding which in turn lends itself to a sense of ease and comfort.” [22:20]

“When you are going into these experiences as a facilitator—whatever your background is—it is of the utmost importance that you are hyper cognizant and hyper aware of the harms that can be caused by not being aware of the ways in which you can navigate someone else’s trauma as it shows up.”  [25:02]

Links:

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Previous episode: Can Your Genes Predict Response to MDMA Therapy? with Dr. Dave Rabin MD, PhD

Previous episode: Warning Signs When Selecting a Psychedelic Facilitator with Juliana Mulligan

Previous episode: How to Choose a Psychedelic Facilitator or Retreat Center with Joël Brierre

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In this episode, David interviews Glauber Assis, Ph.D.: research associate at the Interdisciplinary Group for Psychoactive Studies, director of the Psychedelic Parenthood community, Vital instructor, and leader of Jornadas de Kura, a plant medicine center in Brazil.

He talks about growing up in Brazil in the shadows of colonialism, and how he felt his early experiences with ayahuasca and the Santo Daime church decolonized his mind, changing his relationship with himself and his family, and eventually leading him to start his own church: Céu da Divina Estrela. He believes that to truly know ourselves, we need to experience other cultures, and to truly see the commonalities between each other, we need to recognize just how different we all are. He feels that true growth is not found in the substance or experience, but in the relationships we have with others, and our ability to change.

He discusses:

-How ayahuasca becoming a global phenomenon is revitalizing traditions that may have otherwise been lost -His first travels to the U.S. and why we need to stop romanticizing other cultures -The power of live music in a ceremonial group setting -The birth of his third child in a car, and what psychedelic parenthood really means -The importance of understanding multiple different frameworks and being able to use them together

and more! 

Bonus: This episode features the first live performance in PT podcast history – a song Assis wrote in the Santo Daime tradition.

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Joshua Kappel, a founding partner of Vicente LLP and co-author of Colorado's Proposition 122, the Natural Medicine Health Act.

Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-269-joshua-kappel-esq/?ref=278 

Joshua shares his journey from cannabis law to psychedelic policy reform, detailing the groundbreaking aspects of Colorado's legislation.

He discusses the nuances of becoming a licensed psychedelic facilitator, regulations for healing centers, and the state's approach to manufacturing and cultivation.

Joshua also explores the broader landscape of psychedelic policy reform across the United States, offering insights into potential future developments and the challenges faced by the emerging industry.

Joshua Kappel is a founding partner of Vicente LLP with a passion for helping entrepreneurs and visionaries build human-centric and regenerative companies in the cannabis and psychedelic industries. Joshua co-authored Colorado's Proposition 122, the Natural Medicine Health Act, and served as chair of the campaign committee for Natural Medicine Colorado. He helped draft Colorado's Amendment 64, the first state measure to legalize cannabis for all adults. Joshua is a founding board member of the Microdosing Collective and serves as a founding member of the Psychedelic Bar Association. He is recognized by his peers in Best Lawyers in America for his work in cannabis law and was repeatedly named one of "Denver's Top Lawyers" by 5280 Magazine.

Highlights:

• Joshua's background in cannabis law and transition to psychedelic policy
• Key components of Colorado's Natural Medicine Health Act
• Details on becoming a licensed psychedelic facilitator in Colorado
• Regulations for psychedelic healing centers and service locations
• Manufacturing and cultivation licenses for psychedelic products
• Outlook on psychedelic policy reform in other states

Links:

• Vicente LLP

• Microdosing Collective

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In this episode, Joe interviews Norman Ohler: award-winning novelist, screenwriter, and journalist.

Following in the footsteps of "Blitzed: Drugs in the Third Reich," his newest book, "Tripped: Nazi Germany, the CIA, and the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age," tells the story of how the Nazi’s passion for methamphetamine turned into a curiosity about LSD, and how their experiments with trying to harness LSD as a truth drug eventually led to the CIA continuing their research under their MKUltra program. The book came about from trying to understand why LSD never became medicine – a question posed by his father, when discussing how LSD could help with his wife’s progressing Alzheimer’s symptoms.

He discusses:

• His path to becoming a “gonzo historian” and how his early psychedelic research was inspired by a friend’s discovery of methamphetamine tablets from the 40s
• Henry Beecher’s LSD experiments with students at Harvard, and how researchers often didn’t know they were contributing to MKUltra
• His recent appearances on The Joe Rogan Experience and Jesse Watters Primetime
• His mother’s experience with microdosing LSD and why police showed up at his father’s door with a warrant
• Why he believes psychedelics will be legalized in the U.S. in the next 10 years

and more! 

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Chris Villar, a successful entrepreneur turned executive coach.

Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-268-chris-villar/?ref=278

Chris shares his journey from Goldman Sachs to founding Frontpoint Security, a company he grew to $125 million in revenue before selling in 2020. He discusses his transition into psychedelic-assisted coaching, exploring how these experiences have shaped his approach to personal growth and professional development. Chris offers valuable insights on balancing high achievement with mental wellbeing, the importance of emotional processing, and how psychedelics can be integrated into a holistic approach to peak performance and self-discovery.

Chris Villar studied finance & accounting at Georgetown University and began his career at Goldman Sachs, where he led a $500 million investment portfolio in the home security industry. In 2007, he left Goldman and founded Frontpoint Security, an early disruptor for self-installed alarm systems and smart home technology.

Chris served as CEO from inception to over $125-million in revenue as the company grew to nearly 800 employees and received frequent recognition for both customer and employee satisfaction. After selling the company in 2020, Chris founded VILLAR Coaching, a boutique coaching practice focused on helping founders (and other high achievers) scale their companies while cultivating skills in peak performance and fundamental wellbeing.

Chris has done extensive work to overcome a lifetime of stress, anxiety, and burnout and to detach from the lifelong grip of achievement; and now enjoys helping others do the same. He lives in Washington, DC with his husband and their 10-year old beagle and enjoys the outdoors, hiking, and traveling.

Highlights:

• Chris's journey from Goldman Sachs to founding Frontpoint Security
• Key lessons learned as a founder and entrepreneur
• Chris's introduction to psychedelics and their impact on his life
• The role of psychedelics in emotional processing and creativity
• Insights from "The Path of Least Resistance" by Robert Fritz
• Chris's unique perspective as an executive coach with founder experience

Contemplative Psychologist and seeker, Dr. John Churchill enters the mind meld!

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In this one, we riff on lost ancient psycho-technologies, the evolution of consciousness (both individual and collective), connections between eastern and western wisdom traditions, and more.

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In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Simon Ruffell, a psychiatrist and ayahuasca researcher with extensive experience working with Indigenous communities in the Amazon Basin. He discusses the potential of Indigenous medicines to complement Western psychiatric care and reduce relapse rates. Dr. Ruffell compares Western and Indigenous approaches to using spiritual plants, addressing the ongoing debate about how to respectfully integrate Indigenous medicine into Western healthcare as well as highlighting the key differences between commercial ayahuasca retreats and authentic Indigenous practices. Lastly, he discusses aspects of Shipibo culture and a journey into Shamanism.

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In this episode, Kyle interviews Lana Pribic, M.Sc: host of the Modern Psychedelics podcast, certified professional life coach, and founder of Kanna Wellness. 

She talks about her early days of rave culture and MDMA, to developing a problem with alcohol and cocaine, to where she is today: finding joy in the simple things in life, embracing recreational psychedelics, and continuously working on herself while understanding that psychedelic experiences are not the be-all, end-all medicine, and that taking space to integrate learned lessons is where the true potential lies. She recognizes that many of us set out to heal trauma or work on something specific, but often get caught in a "healing trap," where a victim energy ends up holding us back –  and keeps us coming back. When is the healing done? When do these experiences become a habit or escape? What are we not integrating? 

She discusses: 

• The "7 levels of energy" framework she uses with clients
• How she works with clients who return to unhealthy patterns after a big experience
• The judgment of the psychedelic space, both for people who stop using psychedelics and for people who return to the well perhaps too ofte
• Her relationship with her mother and how her mother's cancer treatment inspired her to create Kanna Wellnes
• How much of a factor acceptance is in finding joy in the mundane 

and more!

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Alli Schaper, CEO and Co-Founder of SuperMush & The Microdosing Collective.

Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-267-alli-schaper/?ref=278

Alli shares her journey from corporate America to becoming a leader in the functional and psychedelic mushroom space. They discuss the importance of microdosing, the challenges of psychedelic policy reform, and the mission of the Microdosing Collective. Alli emphasizes the potential of microdosing to enhance mental health, increase empathy, and create positive societal change. The conversation covers personal experiences, the need for consumer protection in the underground market, and the vision for making microdosing legally accessible.

Alli Schaper is the CEO and co-founder of SuperMush, an LA-based mental wellness lifestyle brand. She is a speaker, entrepreneur, podcast host, educator, and community builder. She has been featured in Forbes 30 under 30, National Geographic, YPO, Summit Series, Well+Good, Rolling Stone, Goop, Bloomberg and more.

Alli is a sought after thought leader on topics like mental health, functional mushrooms, microdosing, psychedelic policy, and building a better relationship with death.

Alli's mission is to help make the world more colorful and fun and help wake people up by getting their brains and bodies off pharmaceuticals, and back into balance through the power of fungi. SuperMush has been called “The Redbull of Mushrooms”, and in just 2 years has grown into a multi-million dollar empire, built a viral 400k following across social channels, hosted 75+ IRL events across the U.S., and is backed by founders of Thrive Market, Netflix, Hu, Zumba, and more.

She is also the host of SuperMush's popular mental health podcast, Into The Multiverse. Guests are globally-acclaimed artists, creatives, doctors, therapists, and leaders across wellness, mental health, consciousness, and psychedelics (previous guests: Rick Doblin, Gabby Reece, Charlotte McKinney, Devon Levesque, Noah Cyrus).

Her passion for public policy and bringing microdosing psychedelics mainstream led her to co-found Microdosing Collective, the first nonprofit in the US focused on legal advocacy for microdosing.

Highlights:

• Mushrooms and death
• Alli's journey from corporate America to psychedelic advocacy
• SuperMush and Into the Multiverse
• Microdosing Collective
• Challenges and experiences in psychedelic policy reform
• Vision for legal microdosing access and its potential societal impact
• The power of personal stories in advancing psychedelic policy
• How to get involved and support the Microdosing Collective

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In this episode, Joe interviews Ingmar Gorman, Ph.D.: clinical psychologist and co-founder and CEO of Fluence, a psychedelic education company.

Gorman served as a co-principal investigator and study therapist on MAPS’ Phase II and III clinical trials for MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD, and works with drug sponsors: training, developing the components for clinical trials, and designing therapy manuals. With his insider’s perspective, he discusses the reasons why he believes the FDA rejected MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD: from ICER’s 2.1 section of the report giving legitimacy to allegations they don’t have the authority to research, to Lykos not being able to defend some accusations due to confidentiality, to the damage caused over time (which likely influenced the decision) from attacks against Lykos from dissenters.

He discusses:

• How, despite abuse claims, the main allegations in the report were actually about the mishandling of data or influence of investigators on participants
• The complications of needing to follow study frameworks: Should your adverse experience be in the report if it happened outside the study window?
• How easily opposition can attack and demonize a faceless company, while forgetting the humanity of the people behind it
• Inner healing intelligence and the proposition that people have been indoctrinated into this concept by MAPS
• The need for journalists to research more and not just jump on a narrative

and more!

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Physicist, engineer, author, and philosopher of consciousness, Federico Faggin enters the mind meld!

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Early in his career, Federico invented the microprocessor for Intel. He went on to have a multi-decade, highly successful career in tech. After a bout of existential depression and an unexpected mystical experience, Federico became enamored with the nature of consciousness. Nearly 20 years of research and experimentation later, he went on to develop and publish his own theory of consciousness.  

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In this episode, Kyle interviews Beth Weinstein: spiritual business coach, host of the “Medicine For These Times” podcast, and founder of the Psychedelics, Sacred Medicines, Soul’s Purpose & Business summit.

She talks about a pattern she noticed of people working with psychedelics and seeing progress on what they set out to heal, but with a short-lived afterglow, as they remained in unfulfilling jobs without making any changes. She wondered: What if they applied the lessons they learned during their experience to their careers? What small steps could they start taking to either improve their current job, or find their true soul’s purpose and carve out a new path? Weinstein’s path has led her to combine practical business action plans with more spiritual and traditionally psychedelic modalities to help people grow in their careers and become their most authentic selves – especially if they’re trying to enter into the psychedelic space.

She discusses:

• The importance of making time to talk things out with a coach, integration circle, or friends – especially in a culture that only gets more distracting and chaotic every day
• The challenge of differentiating between guidance: Is it your soul’s true purpose, or a trick of your ego?
• The weirdly taboo topic of money in psychedelics, and the delicate balance of aligning with charitable values while making a living
• The mystical aspects to how life can change with new energy: Maybe that layoff happened at the perfect time?
• The power of positivity and small steps toward change, and how working on something outside of work can transform how you show up at work

and more! 

Weinstein’s newest course begins early next year: The True Path Entrepreneur Group Business Coaching Mastermind Program, which is a 12-month live coaching course designed to reprogram limiting patterns and beliefs and help move people into alignment with their true path. Click here for more info and to apply.

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Dr. Rachelle Sampson, an executive coach, professor of business at the University of Maryland, and board member at the USONA Institute.

Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-266-rachelle-sampson-llb-phd/?ref=278

Dr. Sampson shares insights from the Connected Leadership Project, a groundbreaking study exploring how psychedelic experiences with psilocybin impact decision-making and leadership in business executives.

Dr. Rachelle Sampson is a distinguished researcher and executive coach. She is Associate Professor of Public Policy at the Robert H. Smith School of Business, University of Maryland, and Senior Research Fellow at the ESG Institute, Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania. Dr. Sampson also serves on the Board of Directors for the Usona Institute, a non-profit conducting clinical trials for psilocybin and 5-MEO-DMT.

Dr. Sampson co-leads a pioneering research project on the impact of psychedelics on leadership creativity and decision-making, driven by her curiosity about the role of business organizations in catalyzing systems change.

Highlights:

• Introduction to Dr. Rachelle Sampson and her background in business research and leadership
• Initial interest in psychedelics’ impact on leaders
• The genesis of the Connected Leadership Project
• Key findings from the pilot study with business leaders
• Observations on transformative experiences and their impact on leadership
• On the longevity of psychedelic effects in leadership contexts
• Exploration of narcissism concerns in leadership and psychedelics
• The potential for psychedelics to catalyze systems change

Episode Links:

• Connected Leadership Study
• Dr. Sampson on LinkedIn
• Dr. Sampson’s coaching practice
• The Psychedelic Coaching Institute’s Practitioner Certification Program

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In this episode, David interviews Daniel Shankin: psychedelic integration coach, Vital instructor, and founder and director of Tam Integration.

He talks about the underrated importance of integration circles, how he created Tam Integration out of a personal need for them, how simple it can be for people to create their own groups, and how open-ended newly formed groups can be. He also discusses his “fractal inquiry” coaching method, and how the best coaching involves simply asking questions that lead clients to their own realizations and wisdom. He is offering courses that teach both of these skills: a course called Creating Community Psychedelic Integration Circles, and the newly-launched, year-long Mt. Tam Psychedelic Integration Coaching Program, beginning in October.

He discusses:

• The importance of learning how to focus on your breath, especially during a tough experience
• Hugging the Hindu spiritual leader, Amma (Sri Mata Amritanandamayi Devi), and the special energy that some people have
• The benefits of knowing when a mind path isn’t worth exploring
• The difference between judgment and curiosity
• The weirdness of psychonauts, and how maybe getting a little weirder is what’s needed for your healing

and more! 

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Seeker and creator behind Area 52, Chris Ramsay enters the mind meld!

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On his new channel, Area 52, Chris explores some of life's biggest mysteries: Remote viewing, out of body experiences, the UFO phenomenon, and more. 

In this one, we riff on Chris' deep dive into remote viewing and his time at the infamous Monroe Institute where he was initiated into the mysterious Gateway Process. We also muse about the nature of consciousness, reality, and much more.

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In this episode of the Psychedelic Medicine Podcast, L.J. Lumpkin III, MA LMFT joins to discuss the potential of psychedelic medicine in the context of sports psychology. L.J. is a therapist, adjunct professor at Pepperdine University, a coach, author, speaker, and the CEO of Nomad Healing Practices.

In this conversation, L.J. shares his personal experience as an athlete and discusses the difficult transition to a new life once an athlete’s career has concluded. He compares the need to reinvent oneself in this context to ego death and explains how psychedelic-assisted therapy may be helpful for navigating this transition. L.J. also discusses the intense pressure athletes are under to perform, mentioning that the drive to win can often overpower the more basic mode of play at the heart of athleticism. This is an area where he finds ketamine to be a particularly powerful medicine, as its dissociate quality can help athletes tune out the high pressure expectations. L.J. also discusses leveraging the critical learning period provided by psychedelic therapies to institute new healthy habits, something which could benefit athletes both on and off the field. 

In this episode you'll hear:

• How ketamine-assisted therapy may be able to help athletes with their unique psychological challenges

• Integrating mindfulness to prepare for psychedelic therapies

• Leveraging the somatic component of psychedelic therapies to address pain

• The importance of integration practices and support systems

• The differences between working with psilocybin versus ketamine

• Drowning out critics and sports commentary and getting back to basics with the help of psychedelic therapy

Quotes:

“If you’ve been paid millions of dollars to hit and be aggressive for so long and that’s how you’ve dealt with your emotions—and it wasn’t a problem because you were being rewarded for it—what do you do when you’re not getting rewarded for that anymore? When you have to actually change how you process emotion—there’s not a playbook for that.” [7:46]

“Just talking about [mental health] and normalizing it—all of a sudden you’re allowed to get help, you’re allowed to heal, you’re allowed to go to practices that have been practiced throughout human civilization. We’re bringing [psychedelics] back and I think that athletes are the ones who are really going to be the ship of normalization.” [22:38]

“Especially if you’re off season, those other medicines [besides ketamine] I think they’re going to be even more helpful because that might encourage the rest, it might encourage being able to connect with family systems. I think for some of the more acute stuff, the ketamine does serve a great purpose in that.” [28:16]

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In this episode, we meet with Dr Karenza Moore as she discusses changes in drug trends in the UK, focusing on the motivations, risks, and patterns of drug use, particularly among young people. Karenza identifies trends in drug use, including the impact of the lockdown on substance abuse. She also examines various drug trends within dance music culture, which leads to a discussion of safer partying practices, with a particular focus on the LGBT community and the importance of staying safe during a night out.  Finally she addresses the challenges of conducting research in this area and outlines strategies for overcoming these barriers to gain a comprehensive understanding of substance use.

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In this episode, Joe interviews Joanna Kempner, Ph.D.: associate professor in the Department of Sociology at Rutgers University and author of the recently released, Psychedelic Outlaws: The Movement Revolutionizing Modern Medicine.

The book profiles the history and groundbreaking work of ClusterBusters, a nonprofit researching and spreading awareness about what someone named Flash discovered decades ago: that for some people, psilocybin and LSD could stop cluster headaches from coming on. Through early internet message board posts and email exchanges between Bob Wold, Rick Doblin, and others, Kempner pieced together their story. And through attending ClusterBusters meetings, she discovered that a lot of the true healing lies in the bonds formed and the hope people find when seeing something new work for a pain for which science has no answer.

She discusses:

• The lack of political will behind something so debilitating: Why is there no funding for this?
• The importance of patient advocacy and the role of the internet in sharing novel information
• The difficulty in studying a disease so unpredictable: How do you run a randomized trial when you don’t know when a cluster is going to happen?
• Why the headache community clashes with psychology
• Concerns over how to ethically combine underground and Indigenous knowledge with above-ground University research

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Wade Lightheart, co-founder and president of BiOptimizers.

Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-265-wade-t-lightheart/?ref=278

Wade shares his journey from bodybuilding to creating one of the world's best supplement brands. He discusses the importance of digestive health, the role of enzymes and probiotics, and how plant medicine experiences have shaped his philosophy on health and consciousness. Wade emphasizes the need for a holistic approach to wellness that combines physical, mental, and spiritual practices.

Wade T. Lightheart is a Certified Sports Nutritionist Advisor and president/director of education and co-founder of BIOptimizers. As a plant-based and drug-free athlete for more than two decades, Wade is a three-time National Natural Bodybuilding Champion who competed in both the IFBB Mr. Universe and the INBA Natural Olympia by the age of 31. At the age of 50, Wade came out of retirement to win the Open Men’s and Grand Master’s Categories at the INBA Ironman International, then competed at The PNBA Natural Olympia. Six months later, Wade successfully ran his first marathon in four hours.

Highlights:

• Experiences with psychedelics and near-death experiences
• Wade's journey from bodybuilding to plant-based nutrition
• The five-stage process of digestion and modern food challenges
• The role of magnesium in health and its importance in Bioptimizers products
• BiOptimizers' mission and vision for the future
• The free "84 days" course offered by Bioptimizers

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Tonia Erin, a psychedelic practitioner and graduate of The Psychedelic Coaching Institute’s Practitioner Training Program.

Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-264-tonia-erin/?ref=278

Tonia shares her journey from a successful career in tech at Adobe to becoming a psychedelic coach and startup founder. She discusses her work with Energy.Work, a platform bridging technology and spirituality, and explores the potential of ultra-low dose 5-MeO-DMT. Tonia also delves into the importance of bringing feminine energy into psychedelic work and the value of ceremony and ritual in personal development.

Tonia Erin's life’s work is woven from threads of deep spiritual inquiry and a heartfelt calling to facilitate transformation and healing. Having ventured through the realms of technology and leadership, she found her true passion in bridging the ancient wisdom of earth-based practices with modern approaches to personal growth.

For over two decades, Tonia immersed herself in the tech industry, where she led teams and pioneered innovative projects. Yet, beneath the surface, she was cultivating a rich, inner landscape through her studies and practices in spirituality and self-development. Her journey took a transformative turn when she embraced the profound teachings of psychedelics, which deepened her relationships with herself and the world around her.

Driven by a vision to support others on their paths to self-discovery, she left the corporate world to dedicate herself to coaching and healing work. She is a certified coach specializing in psychedelic preparation and integration with a passion for creating sacred spaces and facilitating ceremonies that honor the rites of passage that unfold throughout our lives.

Highlights:

• Transitioning from tech to psychedelic coaching
• The role of psychedelics in career transitions
• energy.work: Bridging technology and spirituality
• The potential of ultra-low dose 5-MeO-DMT
• The importance of data in psychedelic research
• Working with women in psychedelic integration
• Creating rituals for life transitions
• Building nature-inspired technologies

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• energy.work
• Tonia on Instagram
• Tonia on LinkedIn
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In this episode, Kyle interviews Mustapha Khan: Emmy Award-winning director with over 100 film and television credits, who has worked with clients such as Coca-Cola and Honda, and celebrities ranging from Maya Angelou to Snoop Dogg.

Khan is finalizing a film about Lenny and Elizabeth Gibson and their ongoing work at Dreamshadow – the people and community responsible for Joe and Kyle meeting and the creation of Psychedelics Today. He talks about meeting the Gibsons, being welcomed into their community (instead of his proposed “fly on the wall” role), how centered and happy he felt after his first breathwork session, and what he has learned through the process: that breathwork can be an incredibly healing modality, but the magic he has found has been more in the community surrounding it, and the responsibility (and honor) of being a sitter for someone else.

He discusses:

• The first time his breathwork went psychedelic, and speaking with his recently deceased Mothe
• How he got into filmmaking and why he wants to tell stories about people like the Gibson
• The beauty of breathwork not having a dogma or doctrine attached to it
• The power in holding space for someone else, even if it’s just being presen
• The importance of taking action that aligns with psychedelic ethos: What can you do to contribute to your community?

and more! 

Khan is hoping to release the documentary, “Life and Breath,” in October. In addition to a screening at Dreamshadow, PT will likely do a virtual one as well, so stay tuned for updates!

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Depth Psychology psychotherapist and author, Simon Yugler enters the mind meld!

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In this one, we riff on the unique power of depth psychology, taking the soul seriously, the importance of visionary exploration, archetypes, the shadow, Carl Jung and more.

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In this episode, Joe interviews Danielle Nova: founder of Psychedelic Recovery, founding team member of Decriminalize Nature Oakland, and Executive Director of the San Francisco Psychedelic Society.

As a recovering addict, Nova discusses how working with psychedelics helped her find her way to recovery, and how she's spreading that knowledge to others through her Psychedelic Recovery program, which focuses more on 'targeted abstinence,' instead of the total abstinence model of Psychedelics In Recovery (which works alongside AA's 12-step program). She believes that it's extremely important to reframe addiction as a life process or temporary state of consciousness (rather than a life sentence you can't escape), and that beating addiction is not about constantly being afraid of a relapse, but about evolving to a state of empowerment: that you can overcome it, and that actually, a horrific addiction may have saved you and brought you to where you're supposed to be.

She discusses: 

• The complications of Western medicine and the impact of conflicting medications that are nearly impossible to stop taking
• How self-regulation of tough emotions with outside stimuli (be it drugs, pornography, or even video games) trains people to rely on external forces rather than themselves
• How addicts end up programing themselves with 'addict consciousness,' and the power of changing one's mind state to view suffering as the fuel for a new purpose
• How, over time, we will likely start viewing microdosing as a regular dose, and the large doses we're used to will be seen as overdosing
• How being part of her ayahuasca experience (and having one himself) completely changed her father's perspective on drugs and addiction

and more!

She has co-created Microdosing Facilitator Training with Adam Bramlage of Flow State Micro: a first-of-its-kind 4-month program teaching clinicians, facilitators, and coaches about microdosing and how to safely guide others through the practice. The next cohort launches in January 2025.

For links, head to the show notes page. 

In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Dr. Matthew Dawson, co-founder and CEO of Wild Health.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-263-matt-dawson-md/?ref=278

Dr. Dawson shares his journey from sports to medicine, highlighting the importance of movement and play in human well-being. He discusses Wild Health's innovative approach, combining cutting-edge technology with reconnecting people to nature.

Dr. Matthew Dawson attended medical school at The University of Kentucky before completing his residency in emergency medicine at The University of Utah, where he served as both chief resident and fellow. He has practiced medicine and was an associate professor at the University of Kentucky for 7 years, with an acute interest in functional medicine and, later, genomics. Dr. Dawson's obsession with performance optimization began well before medical school. Dr. Dawson crystallized this approach to providing patients with true health care, rather than sick care, by building Wild Health – a Precision Medicine service providing personalized, genetics-based care to help patients achieve optimal wellbeing. Dr. Dawson also co-hosts the Wild Health Podcast.

Highlights:

• From athlete to physician: Dr. Dawson's journey
• Wild Health: Merging technology and nature
• Psychedelics' potential in personalized medicine
• Genetic factors in psychedelic metabolism
• Balancing objective metrics and subjective experiences
• Holistic approaches to health optimization
• AI-driven personalized health recommendations
• Epigenetics: The frontier of diagnostics
• Citizen science in advancing personalized medicine
• Health Sovereignty: Empowering individuals through personalized medicine

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In this episode, my guest is Jennifer Guskin, a resilient survivor of child trafficking and MK-Ultra-style programs. Despite fragmented memories from her traumatic past, she shares her story with honesty and clarity. Jennifer's childhood, marked by exploitation, included experiences in offshore facilities and visits to notorious locations like Epstein Island.

She has witnessed horrific abuses involving high-profile individuals and has bravely come forward despite facing scrutiny from Child Protective Services. Jennifer remains dedicated to raising awareness about child trafficking and the lasting effects of trauma. Join us as we delve into her inspiring journey and advocacy work. Follow her on X @CTSurvivor17 and read her substack here: jenniferguskin.substack.com.

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In this episode of Vital Psychedelic Conversations, David interviews Deanna Rogers: Registered Clinical Counselor and Vital instructor.

She discusses how trauma grows in our bodies, and the importance of practitioners and facilitators becoming trauma-informed before working with clients. She stresses the need to create the right conditions for clients to be able to work with trauma – to bring compassion to the different parts of their self and build a relationship with the uncomfortable ones, to interrupt negative narratives, and to learn how to exist in a place where they can embrace their window of tolerance and explore discomfort in a safe way. What is the specific container and pace each client needs? How flexible is their nervous system to be able to work with these states? What can be done to bring out the empathetic witness in themselves? And most importantly, how can their sense of agency be improved so that they feel like they’re fully in control of how deep things go?

She discusses:

• Her early ayahuasca experiences, and her path toward working with others, including working with Gabor Maté and Peter Levine
• How psychedelics allow us to access our irrational, animal parts, and how this work is often a combination of sacred and messy
• The need for facilitators to have a basic understanding of the nervous system and fight or flight reactions
• Moving away from the idea of: “There’s something wrong with me.” What do these chronic narratives do to our bodies?
• Working with clients to build out the capacity of their nervous system first, before working with any trauma

and more!

Rogers is one of our Vital instructors, featured in one of Vital 4’s new Specializations: Somatics & Trauma. This cohort begins on September 17, and the application deadline is next week, September 3, so apply today before it’s too late! For links, head to the show notes page.

Author and scholar of the mystical, Dr. Jeffery Kripal enters the mind meld!

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Jeff has been researching and writing about high-weirdness, mystical experiences, the UFO phenomena, near-death experiences, and more for decades.

He's the J. Newton Rayzor Chair in Philosophy and Religious Thought at Rice University. Jeff is the author of numerous books including The Flip, The Super Humanities and his latest, How To Think Impossibly About Souls, UFOs, Time, Belief, and Everything Else.

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In this episode, Prof Nutt meets with Rose Cartwright as she discusses the impact of psychedelics on her Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). She reflects on some of the common misconceptions around OCD as well as the impact diagnosis and traditional treatment had on her life. Throughout the episode, she reflects on her own psychedelic experiences, mistakes made along the way and the steps she would have taken differently going into this with the knowledge she has today.

Rose Cartwright is a screenwriter whose memoir, Pure, about her life with intrusive sexual thoughts, was adapted for Channel 4. Her revolutionary new memoir, The Maps We Carry, reveals how the failure of the mental health system to cure her OCD led her to radical action. While she explored her trauma through a series of mind-bending psychedelic trips, she began to interrogate our dominant medical paradigm. Her writing about psychedelics, consciousness and mental health has also been published in The Face, Vice and the Guardian. Rose is a writer on the Netflix adaptation of Liu Cixin’s The Three Body Problem.

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In this episode, Joe interviews Jean Lacy: Executive Director of the Illinois Psychedelic Society; and La Shawn K. Ford: 17-year member of the Illinois House of Representatives, representing the 8th District.

Together, they are working on the CURE (Compassionate Use and Research of Entheogens) Act, which aims to decriminalize plant medicines and bring a state-regulated model for psychedelic use to Illinois. Similar to Oregon's model, but with hopefully a more cohesive ecosystem, it would include service centers, different license types, the removal of psilocybin and psilocin from the controlled substances list, and a percentage of taxes allocated to education of first responders and law enforcement. Guided by the mistakes of cannabis legalization, they're putting a lot of focus on accessibility – not just for consumers, but for people trying to get licenses and open businesses. What does equity and inclusion look like in a psychedelic service model?

They discuss: 

• The need to educate lawmakers about psychedelics and shine a light on the myths and lies of the Drug War 
• The importance of understanding the process and doing the work when working with lawmakers: When it's done right, democracy can actually happen
• Why conversations about accessibility and certain provisions need to happen up front, as bills are being written
• The impact of bipartisan support, and how bipartisan psychedelics are starting to become
• The overwhelming support for the CURE Act that Rep. Ford has seen, from people of all walks of life

and more!

If you want to help, please sign their petition and/or make a donation. And if you want to help on a larger scale, get out there and have those conversations: Tell your story, and tell it to lawmakers. Your voice can make a bigger difference than you realize.  For links, head to the show notes page. 

In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Dr. Stephen Thayer, a clinical psychologist and lead trainer for psychedelic therapists at Numinus.

Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-262-stephen-thayer-phd/?ref=278

Dr. Thayer shares his journey from military psychologist to psychedelic-assisted therapy specialist, discussing his personal experiences with ketamine and psilocybin. He explores the integration of psychedelics into therapy and coaching, highlighting the distinctions between these roles. Dr. Thayer emphasizes the importance of facilitator training and personal psychedelic experiences, making a compelling case for evidence-based psychedelic mental healthcare alongside ceremonial or spiritual contexts.

Note: This conversation was recorded in May 2024, prior to the FDA's decision on Lykos Therapeutics' MDMA-assisted therapy clinical trial for PTSD. The recent FDA ruling, which requested additional studies, will impact some of the information discussed regarding MDMA's path to medical approval. However, we believe this episode remains valuable for its insights into the broader landscape of psychedelic therapy, practitioner training, and the ongoing evolution of the field. Enjoy!

Dr. Steve Thayer, Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist who specializes in psychedelic-assisted therapy practice, training, and research. He began his career in the U.S. Air Force where he led mental health care teams, provided therapeutic and assessment services, and counseled military leadership about community mental health concerns. As an adjunct professor, Dr. Thayer has taught graduate and undergraduate courses in counseling skills, clinical psychology, and personality theory. He has served as the lead therapist on several psychedelic medicine clinical trials and currently consults for Compass Pathways as a mentor to the therapists working on their phase 3 trial of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression. Dr. Thayer is the Lead Instructor for Numinus's psychedelic-assisted therapy certification program and co-hosts Numinus's podcast, Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers. Dr. Thayer has a private therapy and coaching practice where he helps people resolve the unconscious blocks keeping them from creating the happiness, wealth, freedom, and relationships they crave.

Highlights:

• From military psychology to psychedelic therapy
• Personal explorations with ketamine and psilocybin
• Psychedelics for mental health and spiritual exploration
• Integrating psychedelics into therapy and coaching
• Motivation for entering the psychedelic industry
• Bringing psychedelic awareness to the unconscious mind
• The potential for harm in the psychedelic underground
• Principles of effective psychedelic facilitation
• Assessing personal readiness as a psychedelic facilitator
• Experiential MDMA training for therapists
• Balancing evidence-based and spiritual approaches

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In this episode of Vital Psychedelic Conversations, David interviews Rachelle Sampson, Ph.D.: researcher and founder of Blue Prism Coaching; and Bennet Zelner, Ph.D.: researcher, speaker, and creator of the Pollination Approach. They are both Vital instructors and Associate Professors at the Robert H. Smith School of Business, University of Maryland.

Based on a passion for regenerative economics (how we might be able to apply patterns of nature to socioeconomic systems), they are co-leading the Connected Leadership Study, a research project tracking how psychedelic experiences can facilitate change in people in leadership positions. They believe that a shift from a mechanistic attunement to a more synergistic recognition of our interconnectedness should lead to new ways of thinking, resulting in more creative leaders with better decision-making and team-building skills, and corporate culture caring more about values, regenerative models, equity, and sustainability – all while still being successful. They wonder: Can psychedelic experiences create better leaders? Can capitalism become more conscious?

They discuss:

• The structure of the study, what they learned in the first cohort, and why they track participants for a yea
• How change happens over time, and why they believe it to needs to happen from the bottom u
• The concept of emergence and emergent change illustrated by the shifts in movement of a flock of bird
• How synergistic attunement can be traced back to the cellular level
• The challenge of balancing the therapeutic aspect of psychedelics with the more corporate strategy/professional side

and more!

The study’s next cohort begins in October, so if you’re a business leader interested in being a participant, head to Leaders.study for more info. And if you’d like to learn more about these concepts, the new Regenerative Business and Leadership specialization path in this year’s cohort of Vital digs deep into this world. And we’ve just extended the applications to Sept. 2, so you still have time to apply! For links, head to the show notes page.

In this bonus episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, recorded live on Third Wave's community platform, Paul F. Austin welcomes Maria Dimakos, a Greek lineage holder, medicine woman, and graduate of The Psychedelic Coaching Institute's Practitioner Certification Program.

Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-261b-maria-dimakos/?ref=278

Maria shares her journey from corporate success to becoming a spiritual teacher and psychedelic practitioner. She discusses her experiences as a death doula, her deep connection to Greek heritage, and the transformative power of psychedelic experiences. Maria also explores her vision for resurrecting mystery schools in Greece and creating healing temples that honor ancient wisdom while embracing modern practices. Join future live recordings by setting up a free account at community.thethirdwave.co.

Maria Sophia is a spiritual teacher who transitioned from a successful career in start-ups and Fortune 500 companies to embrace her authentic intuitive gifts. Despite achieving corporate success, Maria felt limited in expressing her full potential in traditional work environments. Her journey of self-discovery led her to dedicate more time to spiritual practices, where she found a community that recognized and valued her unique abilities. This shift in perspective empowered Maria to fully embrace her spiritual gifts and channel them into serving others. Now, as a spiritual teacher, she guides individuals to access their own innate "superpowers" by encouraging them to look inward rather than seeking external validation. Maria's approach combines her corporate experience with spiritual insight, helping clients unlock their authentic intuitive gifts for personal growth and fulfillment.

Highlights:

• Greek lineage and connection to ancient wisdom
• Journey from corporate success to spiritual teaching
• Transformative jungle hike in Costa Rica
• Experiences as a death doula and certified psychedelic coach
• Insights on integration and facilitation
• Vision for Greek mystery schools and healing temples

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Philosopher, professor, and author, Dr. Gregory Shaw enters the mind meld!

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Gregory Shaw is the author of Theurgy and the Soul the Neoplatonism of Iamblichus, and his latest, Hellenic Tantra. He's a world-renowned expert on Neoplatonism, particularly the mysterious philosopher-sage, Iamblichus of Chalcis. Unlike his Platonic predecessors (apparently), Iamblichus engaged heavily in ritual esoteric practices. The heart of said practices were  mysterious rites known as “theurgy.” A Greek word that translates to something like "god-working."

Though no one knows exactly what these practices were, there is a great deal we do know thanks to Iamblichus' extant writings and scholars like Shaw. 

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In this episode of the Psychedelic Medicine Podcast, podcast host Dr. Lynn Marie Morski comes on the mic to provide a five-year update on the podcast and share the changes in the legal landscape of psychedelics in the past half-decade. Lynn Marie Morski, MD, JD is the president of the Psychedelic Medicine Association and host of the Psychedelic Medicine Podcast. She sits on the advisory boards of Psychedelics Today, Cybin, VETS, Inc (Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions), the Oxenberg Foundation, and the Ketamine Task Force. Dr. Morski is a Mayo Clinic-trained physician in family medicine and sports medicine, as well as an attorney and former adjunct law professor.

In this anniversary episode you’ll hear about the legally-accessible forms of psychedelic therapy which have come to prominence as potential mainstream therapeutics in recent years. Dr. Mroski shares Information on the legal adult use framework for psilocybin in Oregon, including licensing, costs, and exclusion criteria. She also discusses programs in Australia and Canada that will allow certain patients to access psychedelic therapies such as psilocybin- and MDMA-assisted therapy. In addition to classic psychedelic medicines, Dr. Morski also shares information on the medicine which is currently most accessible: ketamine. She discusses the difference between S-ketamine and R-ketamine and on-label and off-label uses of this substance. In closing, Dr. Morski presents some of the finer details of the current landscape of insurance coverage for ketamine. 

In this episode you'll hear:

• The difference between decriminalization and legalization

• The FDA decision to deny the Lykos Therapeutics’ new drug application for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

• The upcoming Colorado psilocybin program

• Psychiatric licenses to administer MDMA and LSD to patients in Australia 

• The Special Access Program for psychedelic therapies in Canada 

• Legal ketamine access in the United States

• How the Psychedelic Medicine Podcast chooses guests

Quotes:

“I wanted to focus mostly on what is legal because we know that’s the way things are going to be the most monitored and therefore safely accessible.” [20:45]

“People are in this industry because they want other people to feel better and they want to help and they’re so generous with their time” [25:31]

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